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    Re: Problem :Internet based terrorism - Reaction :Public Outrage Archived Message

    Posted by 8-DJ on 12/7/2004, 2:44 pm, in reply to "Problem :Internet based terrorism - Reaction :Public Outrage "

    The International Association of Emergency Managers (IAEM) is a non-profit educational organization with the aim of saving lives and protecting property during emergencies and disasters. One of its members, Justin Walker, has been banned from its Internet discussion group for pointing out the flaws in the official story of 9/11. One guy said he wasn’t interested in who was responsible for 9/11, only in responding to disasters. He appears unable to grasp that if people understood who was really behind attacks like September 11th and removed them from power there would be far fewer terrorist disasters to respond to.

    The simple sequence of events that led to the barring of Mr. Walker is another example of the general censorship that prevents free discussion of these matters unless the official version is being supported.

    The following was posted to the IAEM Discussion Group site that parroted the official line:


    IAEM Discussion Group:
    Etgar Lefkovits, THE JERUSALEM POST Nov. 29, 2004

    -------------------------------------------------------

    An al-Qaida attack on the US with non-conventional
    weapons is virtually "inevitable," and the organization
    is likely "tying up the knots" for such an attack,
    Yossef Bodansky, former director of the US
    Congressional Task Force on Terrorism and
    Unconventional Warfare, told The Jerusalem Post on
    Sunday.

    "All of the warnings we have today indicate that a
    major strike - something more horrible than anything
    we've seen before - is all but inevitable," he said.

    Bodansky, here for the second annual Jerusalem Summit,
    an international gathering of conservative thinkers,
    added that "the primary option" for the next al-Qaida
    attack on US soil would be one that would use weapons
    of mass destruction.

    "I do not have a crystal ball, but this is what all the
    available evidence tells us, we will have a bang,"
    Bodansky said.

    He said that al-Qaida has not carried out a second
    major attack on the US until now for internal
    psychological and ideological reasons, but after the
    reelection of President George W. Bush, it has gotten
    "the green light" to do so from leading Islamic
    religious luminaries, as well as from "the elites of
    the Arab world."

    According to Bodansky's reading of Osama bin Laden's
    mind-set, after the elaborate attacks of 9/11 there was
    no need for the "bin Ladens of the world" to carry out
    a second major attack in the US, both because the
    target audience of the attacks - the Arab and Islamic
    world - had gotten the message that America could be
    penetrated, and because a second attack would
    necessarily have to be more grandiose.

    Following the attacks and the US-led war on terror, a
    debate started within the operational arm of the
    organization over the potential use of weapons of mass
    destruction, Bodansky said.

    If, in pre-9/11 days, the theme used by bin Laden was
    that perpetual confrontation and jihad against the US
    was the only way to protect Islam, the argument now
    used is the ability to punish American society,
    Bodansky said.

    "Just as the West was challenging the quintessence of
    Islam by means of the globalization era, there was a
    parallel need by Islamic extremists to strike at - and
    hurt - the core of American society, this time with
    weapons of mass destruction," Bodansky said.

    A subsequent theological debate emerged within the
    organization, and its supporters in the Arab world, he
    said, over whether the mass killing of innocents is
    permissible.

    While bin Laden and his associates argued that by
    virtue of their participation in US democracy, US
    citizens were enabling their rulers to fight, other
    Islamic luminaries contended that this does not permit
    such massive attacks, Bodansky said. The reelection of
    Bush in November, he said, was viewed by bin Laden and
    his cohorts as a decisive answer to this deliberation,
    with Americans now "choosing" to be the enemies of
    Islam. In bin Laden's mind-set, he said, the stage was
    set for a non-conventional attack.

    Bodansky said that while there may still be some
    vestiges of debate and doubt within Islamic circles, he
    believes that planing for such an attack is finished.
    "They got the kosher stamp from the Islamic world to
    use nuclear weapons," he said.

    Moreover, Bodansky said that America is losing the war
    against terrorism, noting the number of recruits bin
    Laden is able to count on, as his call to arms gains
    widespread support throughout the Muslim world.

    In the pre-9/11 world, Bodansky said, jihadists could
    count on 250,000 individuals trained and willing to
    die, and 2.5 million-5 million people willing to help
    them in one way or another. He cited intelligence
    estimates from this summer that suggest that as many as
    500,000-750,000 people are willing and trained to die,
    10 million are willing to actively support them, short
    of killing, while another 50 million are willing to
    support such a movement financially.

    … … … … …

    No problem with posting the official version of the War
    on Terror, then. Justin Walker responded thus:


    Dear Friends,

    I am afraid this ridiculous press release about Yossef
    Bodansky's so-called warning is just feeding America's
    increasing paranoia of terrorism - there are now
    hundreds of valid inconsistencies to the official story
    of 9/11. I am afraid the blunt truth is that Americans
    killed Americans on the 11th September 2001. Osama bin
    Laden and Al Qaida are creations of the so-called 'neo-
    cons'/CIA intelligence community and you have to look
    there for the perpetrators of 9/11. If you still have
    an open mind, go to: 911inplanesite.com

    If a dirty bomb or worse goes off, the White House will
    know about it well in advance.

    Justin Walker

    … … … … …

    This view was met with considerable anger from many
    other emergency managers and Mr. Walker replied:

    Steve,

    I realise that what I posted the other day has angered
    a lot of my fellow emergency managers but what I am
    talking about is vital to all of us. Nearly all of the
    people who use this List are in the front line against
    terrorism and are involved in implementing Homeland
    Security and the Patriot Act which, by their very
    nature, have taken away a considerable number of civil
    liberties from the American people. Civil liberties in
    Britain are also now being threatened because of this
    perceived threat of international terrorism.

    However, there is a whole raft of known information and
    facts which clearly show that we need to worry about
    highly placed elements within our own societies rather
    than crazed Islamic fundamentalists from overseas.

    If I'm wrong, how come Stanley Hilton (former Chief of
    Staff to Bob Dole) is representing over 400 9/11
    victims' families in an eight billion dollar courtcase
    which states quite clearly that the White House not
    only knew about the 9/11 attacks but implemented
    them. William Rodriguez, a hero who saved single-
    handedly fifteen people on the day at the World Trade
    Centre, is doing the same. And what about David Ray
    Griffin, a highly respected American theologian who
    believes that the visual evidence proves that no
    aircraft the size of a Boeing 757 hit the
    Pentagon. Incidentally, his recent book 'The New Pearl
    Harbor' has its UK foreword written by Michal Meacher
    MP, a former British Cabinet Minister.

    I've known about there being an orchestrated
    international elite above our democratically elected
    representatives for a long time now. Because of their
    enormous power and wealth they have been manipulating
    their own global agendas for decades, if not
    centuries. My late Uncle was The Lord Pilkington, head
    of Pilkington Glass, Director of the Bank of England
    and a member of a bloodline family that goes back over
    a thousand years. He warned me about what he termed
    the 'Illuminati'and how they can invisibly shape world
    events; and in fact an associate of his, the late
    Aurelio Peccei, President of Fiat, invited me to join
    one of their front organisations, The Club of Rome. If
    you still doubt what I am saying is true, find out
    about the Bilderberg Group.

    I'm afraid the evidence is coming out fast and furious,
    thanks to the internet (the mainstream media being
    largely controlled at an editorial level by these
    highly placed individuals), that the enemy is within
    our own gates - and that, I'm afraid, is extremely
    relevant to what we do.

    With best wishes

    Justin Walker

    … … … … …

    But such views are not allowed by this "educational"
    organisation and Mr. Walker was barred from the group for being "off topic" (read: "off message").

    Justin:

    You must stop posting to this list. I have received
    numerous complaints over the past several days from
    active IAEM members regarding your posts. Given the
    complaints and the fact that you posted an off-topic
    message on the same day that the monthly reminder about
    list rules was posted, you have been removed from the
    list.

    I am sure that you will be able to find a more
    appropriate list for your posts.

    Dawn M. Shiley
    Marketing & Communications Director
    IAEM
    List Serv Moderator

    … … … … …

    This may appear to be a minor incident, but it is typical of the systematic censorship and, even worse, self-censorship in a country that claims to be the home of freedom. As you can see by example of above "incident", it is not. Like the United Kingdom and all over the place, the United States is a tyranny masquerading as a free society.


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